Activists call for stop to Richmond Park deer cull

Activists protest deer cull

Activists protest deer cull

First published in News by , Reporter

The annual deer cull is being targeted by an activist group who claim Richmond Park is still a ‘deer-hunting park’.

Residents are being invited to offer ideas on how to stop the cull, at a public meeting held at the Richard Mayo Centre in Eden Street, Kingston, on June 19 at 7pm.

On a leaflet that was sent to residents, activists claim that Richmond Park makes £29,000 per year selling venison after the deer cull.

It said: “We don’t like ‘tradition’ being used as justification. It seems Richmond Park never stopped being a deer-hunting park.”

But a spokesman for the park maintained the cull was necessary to control the deer population and ensure they stay healthy.

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7:53am Wed 12 Jun 13

Mr Boe says...

Why not just transfer a selection of livestock to another park??...that way we preserve the deer and make more parks attractive and manageable!
Why not just transfer a selection of livestock to another park??...that way we preserve the deer and make more parks attractive and manageable! Mr Boe
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8:29am Wed 12 Jun 13

SarahOX14 says...

Deer numbers have reached nuisance proportions right across the UK.

They can do enormous damage to the countryside destroying habitats of endangered species. Moving them just moves the problem. Nowhere in the UK has 'too few' deer

There are now more deer in the UK than at any time since the last ice age - over 10,000 years ago.

There was vastly more grazing land for deer back then and Britain had wolves and bears to keep numbers in check.

Now there are no natural predators of deer. Man is the only predator.

In fact, only two of the six deer species living in the wild in the UK are native species at all; Roe deer and Red deer. All the other species were imported - usually for hunting.

Scientists have concluded that the current UK deer population needs to be reduced by about 50% each year in order to protect the countryside. The RSPCA has not opposed this.

That's why we can't just transfer deer to another park.
Deer numbers have reached nuisance proportions right across the UK. They can do enormous damage to the countryside destroying habitats of endangered species. Moving them just moves the problem. Nowhere in the UK has 'too few' deer There are now more deer in the UK than at any time since the last ice age - over 10,000 years ago. There was vastly more grazing land for deer back then and Britain had wolves and bears to keep numbers in check. Now there are no natural predators of deer. Man is the only predator. In fact, only two of the six deer species living in the wild in the UK are native species at all; Roe deer and Red deer. All the other species were imported - usually for hunting. Scientists have concluded that the current UK deer population needs to be reduced by about 50% each year in order to protect the countryside. The RSPCA has not opposed this. That's why we can't just transfer deer to another park. SarahOX14
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8:38am Wed 12 Jun 13

ScaredAmoeba says...

Mr Boe said
7:53am Wed 12 Jun 13

'Why not just transfer a selection of livestock to another park??...that way we preserve the deer and make more parks attractive and manageable!'

This is a comment that seems 'reasonable' but which shows a complete misunderstanding of the problem, a catastrophic misunderstanding that appears to be common among the protesters.

In the UK, it has recently been reported that there is a huge and damaging overpopulation of deer. The reason is relatively simple and very predictable, humans have removed all the predators. Therefore, without the normal checks and balances, the deer population has continued to grow, year on year. Likewise the predators are not removing the weak, the old, the injued, the sick and the less fit.

There is simply no finite space available that can accommodate an exponentially growing population indefinitely, (please read this again). These people (and economists and politicians and almost everyone else too) need to understand the consequences of where mathematics and reality meet. The exponential function is a problem, the consequences of which the human race will itself be forced to understand and very soon. Any ' park', would soon inevitably too be filled, indeed even a park the size of the Earth would inevitably and eventually be filled with deer, packed so close they couldn't breathe.


The Royal Parks are effectively a microcosm of the UK and indeed the Earth. There are only resources to accommodate and feed a finite population. Therefore measures are necessary to maintain a suitable and genetically fit population are necessary.
Bearing in in-mind the resistance to reintroducing the beaver, one can only imagine the resistance that would face any proposal for the reintroduction of predators, such as bears and wolves.
Mr Boe said 7:53am Wed 12 Jun 13 'Why not just transfer a selection of livestock to another park??...that way we preserve the deer and make more parks attractive and manageable!' This is a comment that seems 'reasonable' but which shows a complete misunderstanding of the problem, a catastrophic misunderstanding that appears to be common among the protesters. In the UK, it has recently been reported that there is a huge and damaging overpopulation of deer. The reason is relatively simple and very predictable, humans have removed all the predators. Therefore, without the normal checks and balances, the deer population has continued to grow, year on year. Likewise the predators are not removing the weak, the old, the injued, the sick and the less fit. There is simply no finite space available that can accommodate an exponentially growing population indefinitely, (please read this again). These people (and economists and politicians and almost everyone else too) need to understand the consequences of where mathematics and reality meet. The exponential function is a problem, the consequences of which the human race will itself be forced to understand and very soon. Any ' park', would soon inevitably too be filled, indeed even a park the size of the Earth would inevitably and eventually be filled with deer, packed so close they couldn't breathe. [search for: Arithmetic, Population and Energy Bartlett] The Royal Parks are effectively a microcosm of the UK and indeed the Earth. There are only resources to accommodate and feed a finite population. Therefore measures are necessary to maintain a suitable and genetically fit population are necessary. Bearing in in-mind the resistance to reintroducing the beaver, one can only imagine the resistance that would face any proposal for the reintroduction of predators, such as bears and wolves. ScaredAmoeba
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8:53am Wed 12 Jun 13

SarahOX14 says...

...and to the protestors quoted in the article; it's not hunting for tradition's sake, it's hunting to stop the park being wrecked.

The fact that such a necessary activity raises £29,000 is wonderful. That's £29,000 less money the taxpayer has to provide for the running of the park.
...and to the protestors quoted in the article; it's not hunting for tradition's sake, it's hunting to stop the park being wrecked. The fact that such a necessary activity raises £29,000 is wonderful. That's £29,000 less money the taxpayer has to provide for the running of the park. SarahOX14
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9:52am Wed 12 Jun 13

chramies says...

Have the activists provided any reason for _not_ having the deer cull, other than their being against tradition and money? As others have pointed out the reason for culling the deer is so that there is still some vegetation left. SarahOX14 seems to be bang on. The cull also brings revenue and tasty venison for those who like it.
Have the activists provided any reason for _not_ having the deer cull, other than their being against tradition and money? As others have pointed out the reason for culling the deer is so that there is still some vegetation left. SarahOX14 seems to be bang on. The cull also brings revenue and tasty venison for those who like it. chramies
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10:38am Wed 12 Jun 13

Loopylou89 says...

If they didnt do this every year we would be over ran with deer and infection could spred through out the park. It's not a sport it's simply done too controll numbers in the park. I'm all for animal rights and a veggie but as an animal lover I understand the deer cull is the right thing too do
If they didnt do this every year we would be over ran with deer and infection could spred through out the park. It's not a sport it's simply done too controll numbers in the park. I'm all for animal rights and a veggie but as an animal lover I understand the deer cull is the right thing too do Loopylou89
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11:00am Wed 12 Jun 13

Tony from Surbiton says...

The Council should be making money out of this. There are plenty of would-be hunters who would enjoy going out and shooting a few deer and paying for the privilege. Africa is unfortunately out of bounds now for big game hunting, so there are lots of rich people who would surely be willing to take part in the cull. Fewer deer and money for good causes - everyone's a winner.
The Council should be making money out of this. There are plenty of would-be hunters who would enjoy going out and shooting a few deer and paying for the privilege. Africa is unfortunately out of bounds now for big game hunting, so there are lots of rich people who would surely be willing to take part in the cull. Fewer deer and money for good causes - everyone's a winner. Tony from Surbiton
  • Score: 0

1:21pm Wed 12 Jun 13

kingstonpaul says...

As man is their only predator, why not just increase the 20mph speed limit....?
As man is their only predator, why not just increase the 20mph speed limit....? kingstonpaul
  • Score: 1

7:56pm Wed 12 Jun 13

Ludovic says...

What a bunch of urbanites-time-waste
rs, the kind of folks who prefer animals to humans. Send them to Africa to help people in need and make themselves useful.

PS: would be nice to be able to buy some of that local organic venison...
What a bunch of urbanites-time-waste rs, the kind of folks who prefer animals to humans. Send them to Africa to help people in need and make themselves useful. PS: would be nice to be able to buy some of that local organic venison... Ludovic
  • Score: -3

10:59pm Wed 12 Jun 13

ruggabugga says...

It's a shame the reporter didn't ask the campaigners how they would control deer numbers.
Or would they allow numbers to increase & increase exponentially until the deer destroy the park habitat, become a dangerous nuisance and starve to death?
It's a shame the reporter didn't ask the campaigners how they would control deer numbers. Or would they allow numbers to increase & increase exponentially until the deer destroy the park habitat, become a dangerous nuisance and starve to death? ruggabugga
  • Score: -1

11:38pm Wed 12 Jun 13

Ludovic says...

Can we hunt the activists?
Can we hunt the activists? Ludovic
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10:39am Thu 13 Jun 13

emelem says...

there are far too many people- they need to be culled! starting with the ones that offer nothing to society.
there are far too many people- they need to be culled! starting with the ones that offer nothing to society. emelem
  • Score: -1

3:28pm Thu 13 Jun 13

ruggabugga says...

There's some excellent info about the need to control deer numbers in the parks from the Friends of Richmond Park at:

http://www.frp.org.u
k/news/101-controlli
ng-deer-numbers
There's some excellent info about the need to control deer numbers in the parks from the Friends of Richmond Park at: http://www.frp.org.u k/news/101-controlli ng-deer-numbers ruggabugga
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5:51pm Thu 13 Jun 13

TheParkie says...

“We don’t like ‘tradition’ being used as justification. It seems Richmond Park never stopped being a deer-hunting park.”

That's very true. You only have to watch the antics of the local dogowners and their unruly animals on a daily basis to see that. It's currently the calving season and yet again people ignore all the notices, all the warnings and the result is dead baby deer. I suppose the owners will justify it on the basis that it controls the deer population in the park. After all if a deer is killed by a dog there's no need to cull it...
“We don’t like ‘tradition’ being used as justification. It seems Richmond Park never stopped being a deer-hunting park.” That's very true. You only have to watch the antics of the local dogowners and their unruly animals on a daily basis to see that. It's currently the calving season and yet again people ignore all the notices, all the warnings and the result is dead baby deer. I suppose the owners will justify it on the basis that it controls the deer population in the park. After all if a deer is killed by a dog there's no need to cull it... TheParkie
  • Score: 0

10:59am Sun 16 Jun 13

lordofzombies says...

SarahOX14 wrote:
Deer numbers have reached nuisance proportions right across the UK.

They can do enormous damage to the countryside destroying habitats of endangered species. Moving them just moves the problem. Nowhere in the UK has 'too few' deer

There are now more deer in the UK than at any time since the last ice age - over 10,000 years ago.

There was vastly more grazing land for deer back then and Britain had wolves and bears to keep numbers in check.

Now there are no natural predators of deer. Man is the only predator.

In fact, only two of the six deer species living in the wild in the UK are native species at all; Roe deer and Red deer. All the other species were imported - usually for hunting.

Scientists have concluded that the current UK deer population needs to be reduced by about 50% each year in order to protect the countryside. The RSPCA has not opposed this.

That's why we can't just transfer deer to another park.
i like this guy, lets re introduce wolves!
[quote][p][bold]SarahOX14[/bold] wrote: Deer numbers have reached nuisance proportions right across the UK. They can do enormous damage to the countryside destroying habitats of endangered species. Moving them just moves the problem. Nowhere in the UK has 'too few' deer There are now more deer in the UK than at any time since the last ice age - over 10,000 years ago. There was vastly more grazing land for deer back then and Britain had wolves and bears to keep numbers in check. Now there are no natural predators of deer. Man is the only predator. In fact, only two of the six deer species living in the wild in the UK are native species at all; Roe deer and Red deer. All the other species were imported - usually for hunting. Scientists have concluded that the current UK deer population needs to be reduced by about 50% each year in order to protect the countryside. The RSPCA has not opposed this. That's why we can't just transfer deer to another park.[/p][/quote]i like this guy, lets re introduce wolves! lordofzombies
  • Score: 0

4:44pm Sun 16 Jun 13

emelem says...

yeeees and then there will be a call to *kill* them

*rolls eyes*
yeeees and then there will be a call to *kill* them *rolls eyes* emelem
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