What should be done about Tooting's chaotic roads?

Wandsworth Guardian: Tooting Tooting

Controversial proposals about what to do with the overwhelming traffic in Tooting’s congested roads are polarising the community.

Drivers, fed-up with queuing at the main junctions around Tooting Broadway, frequently nip down side roads to save time travelling towards Tooting Bec.

Wandsworth Guardian:

Fishponds Road 

For car-owners this can speed up the flow of traffic and reduce the number of vehicles flowing through the main junctions on the A24, but others are concerned ‘rat-running’ leads to vehicles ploughing too fast down residential roads, putting pedestrians at risk.

A consultation over piloting a £100,000 six-month scheme, featuring partial road closures around Fishponds Road stopping drivers from rat-running, finished on Friday.

Manuel Button, of Fishponds Road, said: "Of course there are people living in Fishponds Road who would like to see it blocked to traffic, but what about the rest of Tooting who will have to pay the cost and put up with the whole area becoming a grid-locked nightmare? And where next? There must be 50 similar roads in Wandsworth."

Chris Apostolides, of Fishponds Road, countered: "The 'No' voters are being selfish, putting their needs to save a bit of time off their car journeys above those of the people who actually live in and around Fishponds Road, who have to endure the endless stream of private and commercial vehicles whizzing up and down Fishponds."

Should the scheme get the go ahead another consultation will begin to ascertain people’s views on whether the measures will remain or be removed.

Changes to traffic around Tooting Broadway have been a long-term discussion.

If the multi-billion pound transport project Crossrail 2 is given the go-ahead to stop at Tooting Broadway, even further traffic issues are anticipated.

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Councillor Russell KingWandsworth Council’s transport spokesman, said: "It was quite a heated discussion at committee when we discussed Fishponds. There were definitely differing views over whether it would be welcome in the area.

"Because it was going to be controversial we wanted a higher threshold than normal for the consultation.

"Given this was likely to polarise opinion we wanted a very high level of responses so we set the bar at 40 per cent - which is very high - we normally set it at 20 to 25 per cent."

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Tooting MP Sadiq Khan said: "If the proposals go ahead, they will have a big impact on our community, and I share local concerns that they will not address road safety in area, and if anything could make it worse."

The council is analysing feedback and a result is expected in about three weeks time.

Meanwhile another consultation has started into whether Tooting and Balham should become 20mph zones after a number of petitions were submitted to the council.

A public consultation has also been launched into development at nearby Graveney School, in Tooting, which is proposing the closure of Welham Road - which some residents feel will result in increasingly heavy use of neighbouring roads.

This map shows some of the proposed closures 

Wandsworth Guardian:

What do you think should be done about traffic in Tooting? Send your thoughts to ssleigh@london.newsquest.co.uk


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4:40pm Wed 26 Mar 14

chesty36 says...

The fact is, if you make roads safer and more pleasant for pedestrians and cyclists, more people will make shorter, local journeys on foot or by bike. Like the school run, for example. Instead of piling into a massive 4x4, children could cycle if our roads were safer and less congested. The only way you will do this is by taking a drastic step and making it easier to cycle or walk then to drive. This may be one-way systems, it may be road blocks, it may be 20mph limits. This needs to cover the whole area though, and not isolated roads, for all the reasons discussed above. I live on Franciscan Road and I am sick to death of rat-runners speeding up and down, getting angry with me when I'm cycling and trying to pull in at my own front door. We are in control of our area and our planet, but only if we are all on the same page. We are currently slaves to motor vehicles and it's making us fat, lazy and living in ever increasing pollution.
The fact is, if you make roads safer and more pleasant for pedestrians and cyclists, more people will make shorter, local journeys on foot or by bike. Like the school run, for example. Instead of piling into a massive 4x4, children could cycle if our roads were safer and less congested. The only way you will do this is by taking a drastic step and making it easier to cycle or walk then to drive. This may be one-way systems, it may be road blocks, it may be 20mph limits. This needs to cover the whole area though, and not isolated roads, for all the reasons discussed above. I live on Franciscan Road and I am sick to death of rat-runners speeding up and down, getting angry with me when I'm cycling and trying to pull in at my own front door. We are in control of our area and our planet, but only if we are all on the same page. We are currently slaves to motor vehicles and it's making us fat, lazy and living in ever increasing pollution. chesty36
  • Score: 9

12:45am Thu 27 Mar 14

owlfandbg says...

chesty36 wrote:
The fact is, if you make roads safer and more pleasant for pedestrians and cyclists, more people will make shorter, local journeys on foot or by bike. Like the school run, for example. Instead of piling into a massive 4x4, children could cycle if our roads were safer and less congested. The only way you will do this is by taking a drastic step and making it easier to cycle or walk then to drive. This may be one-way systems, it may be road blocks, it may be 20mph limits. This needs to cover the whole area though, and not isolated roads, for all the reasons discussed above. I live on Franciscan Road and I am sick to death of rat-runners speeding up and down, getting angry with me when I'm cycling and trying to pull in at my own front door. We are in control of our area and our planet, but only if we are all on the same page. We are currently slaves to motor vehicles and it's making us fat, lazy and living in ever increasing pollution.
Use of Franciscan road is not 'rat running' . It is a legitimate route for traffic between Tooting Broadway and Tooting Bec common and this obsession with blocking off roads is ill thought out. It is naïve to suggest that closing roads will cause more shorter journeys and local journeys by foot or bicycle - it will not. Most people use their vehicles for journeys for recreation/ work and generally to get about. The reality is that more thought about which roads should be designated highways and which should be designated residential is needed - Franciscan I'm afraid is a through route like fishponds . No amount of silly traffic scheming will work while the alternative to driving is expensive local shopping and expensive, overcrowded (and not all encompassing) public transport. figure out why people use their cars then you have a chance to offer alternatives.
[quote][p][bold]chesty36[/bold] wrote: The fact is, if you make roads safer and more pleasant for pedestrians and cyclists, more people will make shorter, local journeys on foot or by bike. Like the school run, for example. Instead of piling into a massive 4x4, children could cycle if our roads were safer and less congested. The only way you will do this is by taking a drastic step and making it easier to cycle or walk then to drive. This may be one-way systems, it may be road blocks, it may be 20mph limits. This needs to cover the whole area though, and not isolated roads, for all the reasons discussed above. I live on Franciscan Road and I am sick to death of rat-runners speeding up and down, getting angry with me when I'm cycling and trying to pull in at my own front door. We are in control of our area and our planet, but only if we are all on the same page. We are currently slaves to motor vehicles and it's making us fat, lazy and living in ever increasing pollution.[/p][/quote]Use of Franciscan road is not 'rat running' . It is a legitimate route for traffic between Tooting Broadway and Tooting Bec common and this obsession with blocking off roads is ill thought out. It is naïve to suggest that closing roads will cause more shorter journeys and local journeys by foot or bicycle - it will not. Most people use their vehicles for journeys for recreation/ work and generally to get about. The reality is that more thought about which roads should be designated highways and which should be designated residential is needed - Franciscan I'm afraid is a through route like fishponds . No amount of silly traffic scheming will work while the alternative to driving is expensive local shopping and expensive, overcrowded (and not all encompassing) public transport. figure out why people use their cars then you have a chance to offer alternatives. owlfandbg
  • Score: -8

8:53am Thu 27 Mar 14

chesty36 says...

owlfandbg wrote:
chesty36 wrote:
The fact is, if you make roads safer and more pleasant for pedestrians and cyclists, more people will make shorter, local journeys on foot or by bike. Like the school run, for example. Instead of piling into a massive 4x4, children could cycle if our roads were safer and less congested. The only way you will do this is by taking a drastic step and making it easier to cycle or walk then to drive. This may be one-way systems, it may be road blocks, it may be 20mph limits. This needs to cover the whole area though, and not isolated roads, for all the reasons discussed above. I live on Franciscan Road and I am sick to death of rat-runners speeding up and down, getting angry with me when I'm cycling and trying to pull in at my own front door. We are in control of our area and our planet, but only if we are all on the same page. We are currently slaves to motor vehicles and it's making us fat, lazy and living in ever increasing pollution.
Use of Franciscan road is not 'rat running' . It is a legitimate route for traffic between Tooting Broadway and Tooting Bec common and this obsession with blocking off roads is ill thought out. It is naïve to suggest that closing roads will cause more shorter journeys and local journeys by foot or bicycle - it will not. Most people use their vehicles for journeys for recreation/ work and generally to get about. The reality is that more thought about which roads should be designated highways and which should be designated residential is needed - Franciscan I'm afraid is a through route like fishponds . No amount of silly traffic scheming will work while the alternative to driving is expensive local shopping and expensive, overcrowded (and not all encompassing) public transport. figure out why people use their cars then you have a chance to offer alternatives.
I thought I'd help by letting you know the definition of Rat Run: "a minor, typically residential street used by drivers during peak periods to avoid congestion on main roads". As for the rest of your comment, have a look at this and see what can be done when there is the will to make our streets more pleasant for people and not machines. Cars should be guests on our roads. http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/magazine-23587
916
[quote][p][bold]owlfandbg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chesty36[/bold] wrote: The fact is, if you make roads safer and more pleasant for pedestrians and cyclists, more people will make shorter, local journeys on foot or by bike. Like the school run, for example. Instead of piling into a massive 4x4, children could cycle if our roads were safer and less congested. The only way you will do this is by taking a drastic step and making it easier to cycle or walk then to drive. This may be one-way systems, it may be road blocks, it may be 20mph limits. This needs to cover the whole area though, and not isolated roads, for all the reasons discussed above. I live on Franciscan Road and I am sick to death of rat-runners speeding up and down, getting angry with me when I'm cycling and trying to pull in at my own front door. We are in control of our area and our planet, but only if we are all on the same page. We are currently slaves to motor vehicles and it's making us fat, lazy and living in ever increasing pollution.[/p][/quote]Use of Franciscan road is not 'rat running' . It is a legitimate route for traffic between Tooting Broadway and Tooting Bec common and this obsession with blocking off roads is ill thought out. It is naïve to suggest that closing roads will cause more shorter journeys and local journeys by foot or bicycle - it will not. Most people use their vehicles for journeys for recreation/ work and generally to get about. The reality is that more thought about which roads should be designated highways and which should be designated residential is needed - Franciscan I'm afraid is a through route like fishponds . No amount of silly traffic scheming will work while the alternative to driving is expensive local shopping and expensive, overcrowded (and not all encompassing) public transport. figure out why people use their cars then you have a chance to offer alternatives.[/p][/quote]I thought I'd help by letting you know the definition of Rat Run: "a minor, typically residential street used by drivers during peak periods to avoid congestion on main roads". As for the rest of your comment, have a look at this and see what can be done when there is the will to make our streets more pleasant for people and not machines. Cars should be guests on our roads. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/magazine-23587 916 chesty36
  • Score: 2

10:02am Thu 27 Mar 14

Robmoon says...

Crazy. Decisions about traffic management should be taken on a long term strategic level and not based on road by road modifications. The biggest traffic problem in tooting is on the high street and upper tooting road (aka A24 for those unaware that it is our high street). The high street has one of the highest density of pedestrians and cyclists in the entire borough, so any efforts which led to further funnelling of traffic down this route would be a grave mistake. I have seen a huge number of accidents down this stretch, and standing traffic makes it worse as families are forced to cross between rows of stationary cars with bikes and motorcycles weaving through the gaps. Just to be clear I do not drive at all, so this is not me moaning about delays to my journey. This is about creating a safe environment for everyone in our community.
Crazy. Decisions about traffic management should be taken on a long term strategic level and not based on road by road modifications. The biggest traffic problem in tooting is on the high street and upper tooting road (aka A24 for those unaware that it is our high street). The high street has one of the highest density of pedestrians and cyclists in the entire borough, so any efforts which led to further funnelling of traffic down this route would be a grave mistake. I have seen a huge number of accidents down this stretch, and standing traffic makes it worse as families are forced to cross between rows of stationary cars with bikes and motorcycles weaving through the gaps. Just to be clear I do not drive at all, so this is not me moaning about delays to my journey. This is about creating a safe environment for everyone in our community. Robmoon
  • Score: -2

10:57am Thu 27 Mar 14

Jon_events says...

The very real problem highlighted by the all those who have commented so far is the policy position of the council. Our current political representatives have allowed the policy to hinder our highways engineers from taking a strategic view as to the management of our roads.

For them to even look into any changes/improvements
, either someone has to be killed or 25% of households in a given area need to petition. Only the Lib Dems locally are calling for this to change. In the meantime, given the policy position, we can petition for improvements to specific streets. It's a bit like a jigsaw puzzle. I should add, I'm one of the Lib Dem candidates for the local elections in Tooting.

Here is the latest petition calling for action to improve Tooting High Street:
https://you.38degree
s.org.uk/petitions/l
et-s-make-tooting-hi
gh-street-safe-for-a
ll/
The very real problem highlighted by the all those who have commented so far is the policy position of the council. Our current political representatives have allowed the policy to hinder our highways engineers from taking a strategic view as to the management of our roads. For them to even look into any changes/improvements , either someone has to be killed or 25% of households in a given area need to petition. Only the Lib Dems locally are calling for this to change. In the meantime, given the policy position, we can petition for improvements to specific streets. It's a bit like a jigsaw puzzle. I should add, I'm one of the Lib Dem candidates for the local elections in Tooting. Here is the latest petition calling for action to improve Tooting High Street: https://you.38degree s.org.uk/petitions/l et-s-make-tooting-hi gh-street-safe-for-a ll/ Jon_events
  • Score: 8

2:42pm Fri 28 Mar 14

angus h says...

owlfandbg wrote:
chesty36 wrote:
The fact is, if you make roads safer and more pleasant for pedestrians and cyclists, more people will make shorter, local journeys on foot or by bike. Like the school run, for example. Instead of piling into a massive 4x4, children could cycle if our roads were safer and less congested. The only way you will do this is by taking a drastic step and making it easier to cycle or walk then to drive. This may be one-way systems, it may be road blocks, it may be 20mph limits. This needs to cover the whole area though, and not isolated roads, for all the reasons discussed above. I live on Franciscan Road and I am sick to death of rat-runners speeding up and down, getting angry with me when I'm cycling and trying to pull in at my own front door. We are in control of our area and our planet, but only if we are all on the same page. We are currently slaves to motor vehicles and it's making us fat, lazy and living in ever increasing pollution.
Use of Franciscan road is not 'rat running' . It is a legitimate route for traffic between Tooting Broadway and Tooting Bec common and this obsession with blocking off roads is ill thought out. It is naïve to suggest that closing roads will cause more shorter journeys and local journeys by foot or bicycle - it will not. Most people use their vehicles for journeys for recreation/ work and generally to get about. The reality is that more thought about which roads should be designated highways and which should be designated residential is needed - Franciscan I'm afraid is a through route like fishponds . No amount of silly traffic scheming will work while the alternative to driving is expensive local shopping and expensive, overcrowded (and not all encompassing) public transport. figure out why people use their cars then you have a chance to offer alternatives.
What of those of us who drive because there's no safe route to get to the park, to school, or see friends/relatives a couple of miles away with our kids on their bikes? Sorry, but I can't see they'll ever fix the A24 to be safe enough - getting through traffic off the minor roads seems like an answer worth trying. I'd like my kids to have a bit of independence on their bikes as they get older - that means learning to deal with cars, yes, but people parking and getting to and from their drives is a slower, calmer kind of traffic than rat-runners from outside the area.
[quote][p][bold]owlfandbg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chesty36[/bold] wrote: The fact is, if you make roads safer and more pleasant for pedestrians and cyclists, more people will make shorter, local journeys on foot or by bike. Like the school run, for example. Instead of piling into a massive 4x4, children could cycle if our roads were safer and less congested. The only way you will do this is by taking a drastic step and making it easier to cycle or walk then to drive. This may be one-way systems, it may be road blocks, it may be 20mph limits. This needs to cover the whole area though, and not isolated roads, for all the reasons discussed above. I live on Franciscan Road and I am sick to death of rat-runners speeding up and down, getting angry with me when I'm cycling and trying to pull in at my own front door. We are in control of our area and our planet, but only if we are all on the same page. We are currently slaves to motor vehicles and it's making us fat, lazy and living in ever increasing pollution.[/p][/quote]Use of Franciscan road is not 'rat running' . It is a legitimate route for traffic between Tooting Broadway and Tooting Bec common and this obsession with blocking off roads is ill thought out. It is naïve to suggest that closing roads will cause more shorter journeys and local journeys by foot or bicycle - it will not. Most people use their vehicles for journeys for recreation/ work and generally to get about. The reality is that more thought about which roads should be designated highways and which should be designated residential is needed - Franciscan I'm afraid is a through route like fishponds . No amount of silly traffic scheming will work while the alternative to driving is expensive local shopping and expensive, overcrowded (and not all encompassing) public transport. figure out why people use their cars then you have a chance to offer alternatives.[/p][/quote]What of those of us who drive because there's no safe route to get to the park, to school, or see friends/relatives a couple of miles away with our kids on their bikes? Sorry, but I can't see they'll ever fix the A24 to be safe enough - getting through traffic off the minor roads seems like an answer worth trying. I'd like my kids to have a bit of independence on their bikes as they get older - that means learning to deal with cars, yes, but people parking and getting to and from their drives is a slower, calmer kind of traffic than rat-runners from outside the area. angus h
  • Score: -3

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